Pešmergatvija (papildināts 25.04.)


vara bungas: Baumas izrādījās pamatotas. DE AM apstiprina, ka G-36 noteiktos apstākļos (laikapstākļi, nepārtraukta šaušana u.c.) tiešām  parādās significant izkliedes problēmas.  H&K visu noliedz. Lai nu kā, bet  netiešais pierādījums tam, ka Bundesvērs  atteiksies no šī modeļa ir nesenais vairāku tūkstošu G36 eksemplāru dāvinājums kurdu Pešmerga Irākā. Tiešie pierādījumi būs vēlāk, kad tiks publicēts nu jau pēdējās ekspertīzes slēdziens. Pagaidām DE apturēti jauni G-36 iepirkumi.

problēmas būtība:

Here’re the main conclusions from 372 pages long expert report on G36 rifle :

– The G36 gets hotter than any other comparable rifles, no matter which ammunition is used. This leads to inaccuracies even with low amounts of shots fired.

– Temperature changes partially significantly affect accuracy. Most prominently in the temperature range of 15°C – 45°C

– Changes between dry and moist environments lead to the same problems as the temperature changes, but manifest slower

– Direct sunlight on the sides of the rifle deforms parts of the housing, shifting the target point and thus accuracy

– Accuracy between various kinds of ammunitions differs up to 35% – but even the best ammo types still have an accuracy problem

Ar to es gribu teikt, kolēģi, ka gadījumā, ja  kāds jums  piedāvās pirkt vagonu ar jauniem G-36, neņemiet uzreizi, vismaz pakaulējaties. Ja atdos par velti, tad gan var ņemt. Vasaras mums ir “zaļās ziemas” IMHO 🙂

Zemāk “die Zeit” raksts mašīntulkojumā no vācu uz angļu valodu, tādēļ sorry and entschuldigung…

 

 After months of investigation, the federal government has officially acknowledged massive problems with the accuracy of their standard G36 rifle. “The G36 apparently has a precision problem at high temperatures, but also in the hot shot condition,” said Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen (CDU). She relied on reviews from the experts who had examined, built by Heckler & Koch rifle after defect reports. According to a letter from Inspector General Volker Wieker to the commanders of the army rifle in operations in Afghanistan or about Mali will be used only to a limited extent. Von der Leyen not rule out that it is the medium completely withdrawn from the market.According to reviews, the precision limitations when G36 were significantly greater than in the examined comparison weapons, Wieker said. The G36 was thus clearly part of the problem and not just the ammunition or other factors. The defects were observed with all tested types of ammunition and deliveries.Heckler & Koch rejected the findings and criticized Defense Minister von der Leyen. The Bundeswehr is not communicating for about half a year to the topic with the company and have not even involved in the testing of the weapon, the company said. Subject before him no documents regarding the allegations. It therefore accept the findings of the Bundeswehr not.“The now widespread results diametrically opposed to the extensive and costly tests, the Heckler & Koch has been made in view of emerging rumors of an alleged serious slippage of the hot shot or heated due to weather weapon itself,” said Heckler & Koch. “These have a properly used no significant restrictions on the use of merchantability, especially in comparison to other assault rifles revealed.”

In recent years, there had been several conflicting reports about the accuracy of the G36. Then had a commission of experts of the Bundeswehr, the Federal Court and the Fraunhofer Institute used von der Leyen in early summer 2014 to provide clarity. Although the final report is still pending. Up to now the reviews but reported “in a clear direction,” said von der Leyen.

It was good that now subject many facts on the table. “Well, from today’s perspective, that was stopped in close agreement with Parliament in the summer of 2014, all other G36 procurement,” said the CDU politician. Once the final report of the expert vorliege, the Ministry will consider further consequences. “This includes the consider whether and to what extent the force must be fitted in the medium term with another assault rifle,” said von der Leyen.
G36 away to Peshmerga

In the next few days the Inspector General will now issue a directive to the troops in the field, how they are to continue to deal with the G36. With training and exercises the rifle should be used “for a transitional period.”

The Bundeswehr has bought since 1996 by Heckler & Koch G36 176,000. The assault rifle used in Afghanistan and Mali. However, the Bundeswehr does not use all the weapons themselves. Recently, several thousand G36 for example, were given away to the Kurdish Peshmerga forces in Iraq for their fight against the terrorist militia “Islamic State”.

The Greens called the admission of the problems a “worst case scenario” for the German Army “. The confidence of the troops in the line is again hit the list of disaster in the defense sector is so sensitive to a particular point any longer,” said the household and defense expert Tobias Lindner.

PS šis video gan liecina par pretējo 🙂

UPD1 raksts thelocal.de

19 domas par “Pešmergatvija (papildināts 25.04.)

  1. Es tak pirms vairāk kā mēneša norādīju uz faktu un video failiem, kādēļ pešmergu spēkiem pēkšņi bruņojumā parādījušies G-36, kad pašiem vāciešiem šis ierocis vēl nav stāvgrūdām piekrauts noliktavās.
    Tikai kārtējais jautājums, vai mūsu AM iepirkumu birokrātija mācēs labu mantu paņemt, kura tagad būs pa velti??

    • Ar LV ziemām iespējams iztiksim, bet cenai par vienību būtu jabūt kudī zemākai. Par g36 esam pārmaksājuši, to ir jāatzīst. Ierocis noteikti nav slikts, varbūt pat ļoti labs, bet tu taču nemaksāsi pilnu cenu par auto, kas brauc tikai tad, kad aiz loga ir +10 C (zinu tādus) 🙂

      • ehh, man šis liek domāt par kaut kādu slepenu līgumu, kur H&K kādam Latvijā samaksāja lai mēs G-36 pirktu…….Igauņi paņēma lietotus Izraēlas Galil, kas manuprāt daudz labāk piemēroti Latvijas skarbajai dabai, Galil būtībā ir modernizēts Kalaš, kas šauj NATO patronas un lieto NATO STANAG magazīnas. Nevar būt ka mūsu armija nevarēja kopā ar igauņiem taisīt vienotu pirkumu.

      • Problēmas ir ar Vācijai piegādātajām šautenēm, jo ja var ticēt militaryphotos.net biedru rakstītajam, tad spāņu G36 problēmas nav novērotas (“From Afghanistan to Mali it works. We shooted five magazines one after another in full auto in +35ºC and worked fine after that.”).

        Jautājums, pēc kādas specifikācijas ir ražoti mums paredzētie G36? Ja var ticēt vikipēdijai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Users), tad mēs izmantojam to pašu versiju ko spāni (G36KV jeb G36KE). Ar vienu vārdu sakot, ir vērts painteresēties AM. 🙂

        • Ja vien spāņu/mūsu versijās sazin kāpēc plastmasas vietā tēmēkļa rails nav pievienots pie metāla, kas savukārt pievienots pie stobra un bez plastmasas starp šiem elementiem pa vidu, tad tas pats pārkaršanas risks draud arī mūsējiem?

          • Vispār es dažādās LV armijas vietās līdz šim esmu redzējis vismaz 3 dažādas modifikācijas par tēmu “g36 KV” un tas ir neskaitot īso/garo stobru un ar/bez klusinātāja.
            Jāpaskatās kaut kad kāda “dzesēšanas sistēma” ir tiem g36, ko iepirka zemīšu AGR’iem pāgājušā gada beigās, tie it kā skaitās “jaunākā modifikācija”.

  2. Manuprāt, visiem pirktajiem ieročiem ir jātaisa atbilstoši testi un jāpārbauda ražotāja pieteiktie rādītāji, t.sk. par darbu augstās temperatūrās.

  3. Here’re the main conclusions from 372 pages long expert report on G36 rifle (the information is taken from the sources below):

    – The G36 gets hotter than any other comparable rifles, no matter which ammunition is used. This leads to inaccuracies even with low amounts of shots fired.

    – Temperature changes partially significantly affect accuracy. Most prominently in the temperature range of 15°C – 45°C

    – Changes between dry and moist environments lead to the same problems as the temperature changes, but manifest slower

    – Direct sunlight on the sides of the rifle deforms parts of the housing, shifting the target point and thus accuracy

    – Accuracy between various kinds of ammunitions differs up to 35% – but even the best ammo types still have an accuracy problem

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/i…-13544955.html
    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/s…ngen-1.2441291

    More – http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?245409-German-parliament-cancels-G36-orders

    • Tiem, kas negrib lasīt, rekur baumas par to, kas varētu nākt G36 vietā, tikai tukšas spekulācijas, nekā vairāk:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK416
      Izskatās, ka amīšu jūras kājnieku un norvēģi ir lielākie lietotāji, skaita ziņā katram pa 4+k un 8+k, pārējie vairāk specvienībām iepirkuši.

      Nu nekas, nav ko man te siekaloties, mums tagad G36 būs, galvenais nebērt kārtām kā ar ložberi vai netupēt svelmē, tikai kondicionētās telpās karstā laikā un būs labi :D!

  4. Es lasīju, ka friču armijai G36 pēc ziņojumu parādīšanās sāka ražot ar alumīnija pastobri, nevis plastmasas, nezinu, cik labi tas palīdz novadīt lieko karstumu no stobra un kā tas ietekmē ieroci, jo tā vienkārši iebāžot alumīniju vēl viss nav atrisināts, ja vien nav pārstrādāts viss pastobres dizains.

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